Comments on: Waziristan: The Downing of an Army Helicopter? http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/ An insider's view to Pakistan through critical intelligence, analysis and commentary. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:47:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Abdul khaliq http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-268 Abdul khaliq Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:57:52 +0000 http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/#comment-268 1.Tribals will break all the cease fire agreement because it is against their if i put it right ''supreme political opinion of Pashtoons''. to further clarify the matter we are forcing tribals on gun point to eat pork and expect them not to vomit it out. 2probabaly crew fatigue ,with long flying hours etc and less experienced pilots are responsible for crash.It is sure that it was not shot down. 3.About tribal capabilities of tribals for shooting down helicopter I tend to agree with Shan. 1.Tribals will break all the cease fire agreement because it is against their if i put it right ‘’supreme political opinion of Pashtoons”.
to further clarify the matter we are forcing tribals on gun point to eat pork and expect them not to vomit it out.
2probabaly crew fatigue ,with long flying hours etc and less experienced pilots are responsible for crash.It is sure that it was not shot down.
3.About tribal capabilities of tribals for shooting down helicopter I tend to agree with Shan.

]]> By: imran tahir http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-263 imran tahir Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:00:50 +0000 http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/#comment-263 noman shahib these helicopters manufactured in canada they have bell plant here i listen on cbc radio about this the hellfire missle plant is in ontario too. noman shahib these helicopters manufactured in canada they have bell plant here i listen on cbc radio about this the hellfire missle plant is in ontario too.

]]> By: noman habib http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-258 noman habib Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:54:35 +0000 http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/#comment-258 1.Probabaly one thing more to be kept in mind were these helicopters delivered from the factory or were in service with US army. 2.Are these machines brand new or reconditioned? 3.Conversion from fixed wing to rotary wing is only done after completion of cirtain hours of flying in fixed wings and general flying record.Probabaly a captain with let us say 6 to 7 years of service is not experienced enough to fly VIP. 4.About tribals we need to remeber that center of gravity in the region has shifted to Afghanistan following flawed policy will result in inteligence failures and loss of credibility which is a must to win this war.Victory means NATO withdrawl and a free and peaceful Afghanistan 1.Probabaly one thing more to be kept in mind
were these helicopters delivered from the factory or were in service with US army.
2.Are these machines brand new or reconditioned?
3.Conversion from fixed wing to rotary wing is only done after completion of cirtain hours of flying in fixed wings and general flying record.Probabaly a captain with let us say 6 to 7
years of service is not experienced enough to fly VIP.
4.About tribals we need to remeber that center of gravity in the region has shifted to Afghanistan following flawed policy will result in inteligence failures and loss of credibility which is a must to win this war.Victory means NATO withdrawl and a free and peaceful Afghanistan

]]> By: noman habib http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-244 noman habib Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:22:53 +0000 http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/#comment-244 1.I think we need to understand the tribal psyche normaly an outsider from other tribe is not welcomed to conduct this kind of operation within the tribal boundries of the resident tribes. 2.Final reasons for crash would be determined after the inquiry by Army . 3.In Kashmir probabaly the heli,s fly in the valleys below the peaks but wazeeristan mountains are not so hight however a single bullet can take down a helicopter but it would be a lucky shot 1.I think we need to understand the tribal psyche
normaly an outsider from other tribe is not welcomed to conduct this kind of operation within the tribal boundries of the resident tribes.
2.Final reasons for crash would be determined after the inquiry by Army .
3.In Kashmir probabaly the heli,s fly in the valleys below the peaks but wazeeristan mountains are not so hight however a single bullet can take down a helicopter but it would be a lucky shot

]]> By: Shaan Akbar http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-242 Shaan Akbar Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:40:50 +0000 http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/#comment-242 - How do you know they didn't have experience? - How many times have cease fires between the Pakistan Army and the tribes lasted? Are Pushtun tribes known for holding to agreements? - Small arms fire is enough to bring down a helicopter. Kashmiri militants have brought down Indian helicopters. Pushtun tribes have access to heavy weaponry and anti-aircraft missiles. It's not beyond the realm of reality. - How do you know they didn’t have experience?
- How many times have cease fires between the Pakistan Army and the tribes lasted? Are Pushtun tribes known for holding to agreements?
- Small arms fire is enough to bring down a helicopter. Kashmiri militants have brought down Indian helicopters. Pushtun tribes have access to heavy weaponry and anti-aircraft missiles. It’s not beyond the realm of reality.

]]> By: Abdul khaliq http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-241 Abdul khaliq Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:22:45 +0000 http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/#comment-241 1.Army deputes senior pilots when the passenger is major general or above.Here it was two captains flying the helicopter apparently whith not much experience in rotary wing. 2.The helicopter went down in Tanai about 20 km away from Wana which is predominantly Wazeer tribe area and wazeers have cease fire agreement with army.The chances of shooting down are very slim. 3.Militants have limited capabilty of shooting down low flying helicopters but generaly have avoided doing so because the tribals are still not supporting them all out against Pak army for obvious reason. 1.Army deputes senior pilots when the passenger is major general or above.Here it was two captains flying the helicopter apparently whith not much experience in rotary wing.
2.The helicopter went down in Tanai about 20 km away from Wana which is predominantly Wazeer tribe area and wazeers have cease fire agreement with army.The chances of shooting down are very slim.
3.Militants have limited capabilty of shooting down low flying helicopters but generaly have avoided doing so because the tribals are still not supporting them all out against Pak army for obvious reason.

]]> By: capt Jean Bizot http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-240 capt Jean Bizot Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:03:56 +0000 http://www.pakintel.com/2008/02/06/downing-of-an-army-helicopter/#comment-240 Hi, I am capt Jean Bizot french helicopter pilot and rotary-wing historian. I am interested in having a copy the picture illustrating this article because it is the image of the Bell 412 contender for the last US Army LUH competition. Picture is from Bell Helicopters. Your help in this matter will be very much appreciated with regards Hi,

I am capt Jean Bizot french helicopter pilot and rotary-wing historian. I am interested in having a copy the picture illustrating this article because it is the image of the Bell 412 contender for the last US Army LUH competition. Picture is from Bell Helicopters.
Your help in this matter will be very much appreciated
with regards

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